Writing on the wall for graffiti artists
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| Graffiti at the skate park on The Level, Brighton, may soon be a thing of the past |
Graffiti parks may soon be a
thing of the past as the last remaining
toleration zone in the city is set
to close.
The council will decide on the future of
the graffiti park at The Level in the coming
weeks which could mark the end of
unlicensed graffiti in the city.
Sarah Leach, a graffiti officer for City
Clean, the council department responsible
for removing unwanted graffiti, said
the zones don't help to reduce the council
costs illegal graffiti creates.
She said: "Tagging in tolerated sites is
the same tagging we see around town - so
tolerated sites don't work."
She added: "I can't see us installing a
completely free, tolerated site again."
Earlier this year, the council decided
to close the controversial Tarner Park
which had been a graffiti toleration zone
since the late 1980s. The move followed
the closure of sites in the Davigdor area
of Hove, The Moon in Worthing and the
Blackrock site at the Marina.
Amy Kennedy, councillor for the Preston
Park ward, said: "The end of toleration
zones is very regrettable. Where do
young people get to practise to become
good artists? How do they develop? We
need to make sure that enough opportunities
are being offered."
An online petition calling for the
return of legal graffiti sites in Brighton
was set-up by local company Blakstar,
who produce graphics for clients such as
Vodafone.
The petition states that the ban on
graffiti sites would increase council costs
and the risk of vandalism in local areas
and attracted more than 200 signatures
in two months.
The Argus has learned that the council
has not collected specific figures on graffiti
costs in the city. City Clean employs
a specialist graffiti management team,
yet did not know how much graffiti was
costing taxpayers when the Argus made
a request under the Freedom of Information
Act.
David Samuel, owner of graffiti gallery
Rarekind on Preston Street, has worked
extensively with young people using
graffiti. He said: "When people haven't
got anywhere legal to do graffiti, they
have to do quick, ugly things on the move
- it's worse for everyone. There is already
more tagging - it's going back to how it
used to be. Toleration zones help young
graffiti artists and keep council costs
down - but without the figures to back
that up it will never be proved."
Ms Leach said now the removal team is
permanent, figures would be kept. She
said: "We will continue to work with graffiti
artists in a more organised way - we
are more than happy to do that."
The council has commissioned a number
of large graffiti art pieces around the
city in recent months, such as the work
in Kensington Street which has become a
tourist attraction in the area.
Mr Samuel said that this will not solve
the graffiti problem in the city. He said:
"You can't expect kids to create art like
Kensington Street - they need a practise
ground."
Ben Duncan, councillor for the
Queen's Park ward, said that closing
Tarner Park to graffiti was not an easy
decision. He said: "The Tarner graffiti
was one of the things that was great
about this area, but unfortunately it
became clear that keeping it wasn't an
option.
"Graffiti by its very nature isn't susceptible
to public management, and it is
not for the council to define what graffiti
is good and what isn't."
City Clean is discussing alternatives to
toleration zones with the council.
One possibility is a system allowing
people to apply for a licence to graffiti in
a set area on a set date. The scheme
would increase administration for the
council and the police, but Ms Leach said
it would be discussed as an alternative.
10:17am Monday 21st April 2008
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CommentPosted by: Lord Smetherington, Brighton on 10:42am Mon 21 Apr 08
Amy Kennedy, councillor for the Preston Park ward, said: "The end of toleration zones is very regrettable. Where do young people get to practise to become good artists? How do they develop? We need to make sure that enough opportunities are being offered."
She's right, you know. I mean, there was no art before spray cans.
What an utter load of rubbish.
Amy Kennedy, councillor for the Preston Park ward, said: "The end of toleration zones is very regrettable. Where do young people get to practise to become good artists? How do they develop? We need to make sure that enough opportunities are being offered."
She's right, you know. I mean, there was no art before spray cans.
What an utter load of rubbish.
Posted by: censored, Brighton on 11:09am Mon 21 Apr 08
Why do tolerance zones have to result in a decrease of vandalism elsewhere?
Why not have the zones simply because they don't cause harm, don't cost anything and may possibly do some good in giving teenagers a focus and something to do?
Why do tolerance zones have to result in a decrease of vandalism elsewhere?
Why not have the zones simply because they don't cause harm, don't cost anything and may possibly do some good in giving teenagers a focus and something to do?
Posted by: duncan on 12:44pm Mon 21 Apr 08
ending tolerated zones because some people still paint illegally, is a leap of logic. it'd be like removing carparks, because they don't stop people parking on double yellow lines. or getting rid of the skateparks because some skaters also skate where they're not meant to.
ending tolerated zones because some people still paint illegally, is a leap of logic. it'd be like removing carparks, because they don't stop people parking on double yellow lines. or getting rid of the skateparks because some skaters also skate where they're not meant to.
Posted by: FRED, worthing on 4:12pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Councillor Amy Kennedy,wants to know where they can practise spraying their names on walls. Very simple! On their own walls, or her walls. Stupid c*w!!!!
Councillor Amy Kennedy,wants to know where they can practise spraying their names on walls. Very simple! On their own walls, or her walls. Stupid c*w!!!!
Posted by: T.Ruth on 4:27pm Mon 21 Apr 08
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.
Posted by: lol whut?, Brighton on 4:47pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Flickr > Search results "We found 38,485 results matching new and york and graffiti" - 5,719 of which were taken this year alone. So yes, ZERO TOLERANCE *really* works!
Flickr > Search results "We found 38,485 results matching new and york and graffiti" - 5,719 of which were taken this year alone. So yes, ZERO TOLERANCE *really* works!
Posted by: Amora, Kemp Town on 4:51pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Brighton has some of the greatest examples of urban art including the Banksy's policemen and the site by Wagamama. Some of the creations on the hoardings around the New England development have made it an outdoor art gallery rather than a boring building site. I would have preferred to see this kind of creativity on boarded up buildings instead of the 19th Century faux art that is now tacked up on the old bingo place on the Level
Brighton has some of the greatest examples of urban art including the Banksy's policemen and the site by Wagamama. Some of the creations on the hoardings around the New England development have made it an outdoor art gallery rather than a boring building site. I would have preferred to see this kind of creativity on boarded up buildings instead of the 19th Century faux art that is now tacked up on the old bingo place on the Level
Posted by: G, Brighton on 5:22pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Bank see, Bank do... At least we'll always have PARIS!
Bank see, Bank do... At least we'll always have PARIS!
Posted by: Durrrr on 11:53pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote:
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.[/quote] [bold]Of course.
Because, as we all know, there are no problems with graffiti, drugs, or prostitution in New York City.[/bold]
T.Ruth wrote:
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.
Of course.
Because, as we all know, there are no problems with graffiti, drugs, or prostitution in New York City. Posted by: jayne, hove on 12:08am Tue 22 Apr 08
good stop these idiots who amy kennedy cares for so much, have you not heard of paper and art class you silly moo. i am to report some grafitti tomorrow that has been bringing down an area off lewes road, and while we are at it, we should be putting park wardens in skate parks and areas that attracts such idiots.
good stop these idiots who amy kennedy cares for so much, have you not heard of paper and art class you silly moo. i am to report some grafitti tomorrow that has been bringing down an area off lewes road, and while we are at it, we should be putting park wardens in skate parks and areas that attracts such idiots.
Posted by: pob, BTON on 4:00am Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote:
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.[/quote] yeah T.Ruth
because we all know that anyone who does graffiti art is a drug addicted benefits scrounging prositute illegal immigrant paedophile ..obviously
you stagnant old cackbadgers fart in the air of humanity.
wether you like it or not,its a well recognized art form that takes great skill and talent to do well.just because you cant appreciate good modern art in your fuddyduddy closed off miserable little world,lots of other people really enjoy seeing it,some people lucky enough to have the talent and the balls enjoy doing it.
Let people publicly express themselves with this vibrant art form without being criminalized,it looks fantastic in the right places ..and the dull corporate advertising we have forced upon us in almost every space doesnt.
there are so many walls around the city that could be used,the work of our local artists can really improve a previously dull scruffy area,looks great and costs the tax payer nothing..its a win win situation!
T.Ruth wrote:
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.
yeah T.Ruth
because we all know that anyone who does graffiti art is a drug addicted benefits scrounging prositute illegal immigrant paedophile ..obviously
you stagnant old cackbadgers fart in the air of humanity.
wether you like it or not,its a well recognized art form that takes great skill and talent to do well.just because you cant appreciate good modern art in your fuddyduddy closed off miserable little world,lots of other people really enjoy seeing it,some people lucky enough to have the talent and the balls enjoy doing it.
Let people publicly express themselves with this vibrant art form without being criminalized,it looks fantastic in the right places ..and the dull corporate advertising we have forced upon us in almost every space doesnt.
there are so many walls around the city that could be used,the work of our local artists can really improve a previously dull scruffy area,looks great and costs the tax payer nothing..its a win win situation!
Posted by: duncan on 7:50am Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote:
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.[/quote] [bold]"get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to"[/bold]
I'm sorry, what's the connection between having a job and graffiti? I think this is just T.Ruth having a moan at the unemployed, at drug addicts, at prostitutes, and oh yeah, graffiti writers too.
But the suggestion of locking up graffiti writers for 10 years to cure all social ills is a great one, I'm sure it'll work, he/she has obviously thought it through carefully.
T.Ruth wrote:
All you brainless graffiti vandals in and around Brighton are in for a shock, because the police are copying what happened in New York where the graffiti got so bad that no one wanted to live there except criminals, drug addicts and prostitutes that was until the Mayor decided to apply the law of ZERO TOLERANCE, amazingly it worked so well that not only did the graffiti vanish, but the drug addicts and prostitutes disappeared as well, so the solution is simple, send the graffiti idiots to prison for 10 years minimum and all the other PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED AS WELL.
So get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to.
"get off the drugs, get off the social security and get a job just like the rest of us have to"
I'm sorry, what's the connection between having a job and graffiti? I think this is just T.Ruth having a moan at the unemployed, at drug addicts, at prostitutes, and oh yeah, graffiti writers too.
But the suggestion of locking up graffiti writers for 10 years to cure all social ills is a great one, I'm sure it'll work, he/she has obviously thought it through carefully.
Posted by: FRED, worthing on 10:04am Tue 22 Apr 08
It takes what POB.?"Great skill and talent "to spray your initials on a blo*dy great wall.What sink estate have you slid out of?You sad , sad silly boy.What have you got to look forward to in life? The only good thing about people like you, is that all your life you will always be at the bottom of the heap.For us to earn money and get on in life, we need losers like you to stay at the bottom.So you spend your dole money on paint, because im off to the states for a holiday. May the walls be with you, Mr Nobody.
It takes what POB.?"Great skill and talent "to spray your initials on a blo*dy great wall.What sink estate have you slid out of?You sad , sad silly boy.What have you got to look forward to in life? The only good thing about people like you, is that all your life you will always be at the bottom of the heap.For us to earn money and get on in life, we need losers like you to stay at the bottom.So you spend your dole money on paint, because im off to the states for a holiday. May the walls be with you, Mr Nobody.
Posted by: censored, Brighton on 11:07am Tue 22 Apr 08
A number of thickies seems not to know the difference between tagging and graffiti art.
Have a look along the New England Quarter boardings, and the road behind Kensington Gardens. Like it or not, that all takes talent and is an asset to the city.
A number of thickies seems not to know the difference between tagging and graffiti art.
Have a look along the New England Quarter boardings, and the road behind Kensington Gardens. Like it or not, that all takes talent and is an asset to the city.
Posted by: pob, BTON on 5:13pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Hi FRED,you dribbling great weasel chasing turnip snatching simpleton from simpletown.
Who said anything about mindless graffiti/vandalism ?
talking about colourful well designed and painted graff/graffiti art here,stuff that looks great and is thought provoking and witty like good art should be.
If your interested in actually learning something new(if you remember what that means?) and have some spare time,why dont you look at some quality graff online ,then try to design some of your own on paper?..seriously!:-
) then you might understand how hard it is to get the curves and movement/flow in the lettering right,then youve got to pick a colour scheme that works,not to mention the characters and the background(then the spraypaint control/technique thats needed for putting it on the wall)..maybe if you try you'll discover how much work,talent and style is needed to get worthwhile results.
oh and BTW,luckily ive never needed to claim benefits,and never lived on a 'sink estate' whatever thats meant to be? always lived in buildings with a bit more age and character..but i do regularly need to buy paint..wow.. arnt you clever! give yourself a pat on the back with your big long knuckle dragging simpleton arms!
and dont forget to pack your banjo!you know how your mum/wife, sister/wife and donkey/grandpapa love to hear you play that thing when you visit them up in those lonely Utah hills
Hi FRED,you dribbling great weasel chasing turnip snatching simpleton from simpletown.
Who said anything about mindless graffiti/vandalism ?
talking about colourful well designed and painted graff/graffiti art here,stuff that looks great and is thought provoking and witty like good art should be.
If your interested in actually learning something new(if you remember what that means?) and have some spare time,why dont you look at some quality graff online ,then try to design some of your own on paper?..seriously!:-
) then you might understand how hard it is to get the curves and movement/flow in the lettering right,then youve got to pick a colour scheme that works,not to mention the characters and the background(then the spraypaint control/technique thats needed for putting it on the wall)..maybe if you try you'll discover how much work,talent and style is needed to get worthwhile results.
oh and BTW,luckily ive never needed to claim benefits,and never lived on a 'sink estate' whatever thats meant to be? always lived in buildings with a bit more age and character..but i do regularly need to buy paint..wow.. arnt you clever! give yourself a pat on the back with your big long knuckle dragging simpleton arms!
and dont forget to pack your banjo!you know how your mum/wife, sister/wife and donkey/grandpapa love to hear you play that thing when you visit them up in those lonely Utah hills
Posted by: FRED, worthing on 5:41pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Like i said Pob. Bottom of the heap.
Like i said Pob. Bottom of the heap.
Posted by: Fran, Brighton on 3:03pm Thu 1 May 08
found that petition at:
http://www.gopetitio
n.com/online/16716.h
tml
I think all those in favor of legal graffiti walls should sign it. Particularly Brighton's residents and not just the artists who would paint there.
found that petition at:
http://www.gopetitio
n.com/online/16716.h
tml
I think all those in favor of legal graffiti walls should sign it. Particularly Brighton's residents and not just the artists who would paint there.
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